Christians or New Age Spiritualists?
Should christians stop calling the god they worship they god of Isreal, the God of the old testament?
There is simply no connection here except how paul and matthew worked hard to weave jesus's teachings into the judaism gospel and prophesies so that PHARISEES AND PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT SOCIETY WILL LISTEN.
How can one believe in a God that murders kills pillages people because he is simply a 'jealous' God? It makes absolutely zero sense.
"And when Moses saw that the people had broken loose, then moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, 'Who is on the Lord's side? (Actually meaning who was on his side coz he was losing his control over the people) Come to me.' And he said to them 'Thus says the Lord God of Israel(hmm), Put your sword on your side each of you, and go to and fro from gate to gate, and each of you kill his brother(?) and his companion(?) and his neighbor(?).'' And that day about three thousand men of the people fell(?)"
---- Exodus 32:25
In my opinion, Moses used his own 'divine authority' to give justice to his actions, knowing full well that his leadership role is being threatened after spending ages in a mountain. So what if they created a golden calf?? Are we to say
that the present day GOD would demand you be killed for worshipping that now?
oh, but wait, Jesus came and so the old laws are broken.
Yes. Obviously they are broken because He came and started a new religion.
There is definitely good reason why Moses he did not see the promised land. Make a wild guess?
His own people killed him for his crimes against humanity.
There is simply no connection here except how paul and matthew worked hard to weave jesus's teachings into the judaism gospel and prophesies so that PHARISEES AND PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT SOCIETY WILL LISTEN.
How can one believe in a God that murders kills pillages people because he is simply a 'jealous' God? It makes absolutely zero sense.
"And when Moses saw that the people had broken loose, then moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, 'Who is on the Lord's side? (Actually meaning who was on his side coz he was losing his control over the people) Come to me.' And he said to them 'Thus says the Lord God of Israel(hmm), Put your sword on your side each of you, and go to and fro from gate to gate, and each of you kill his brother(?) and his companion(?) and his neighbor(?).'' And that day about three thousand men of the people fell(?)"
---- Exodus 32:25
In my opinion, Moses used his own 'divine authority' to give justice to his actions, knowing full well that his leadership role is being threatened after spending ages in a mountain. So what if they created a golden calf?? Are we to say
that the present day GOD would demand you be killed for worshipping that now?
oh, but wait, Jesus came and so the old laws are broken.
Yes. Obviously they are broken because He came and started a new religion.
There is definitely good reason why Moses he did not see the promised land. Make a wild guess?
His own people killed him for his crimes against humanity.
posted by deadpoet at 12:36 AM
2 Comments:
The Golden Calf was an abomination against God created by the Jewish people.
God’s own people created a *horrible* abomination against Him because they worshiped this idol instead of God. Even worse this sin took place after God had delivered his people from slavery in Egypt and was renewing His covenant that He made with Abraham with the Israelites through Moses and was intending to lead them to the promised land.
He was after their hearts to set them aside and make them *His* holy people on earth, belonging to *Him*.
But the people were so ‘stiff-necked’ in their ways they would not give their hearts to God.
Instead they cast a false idol out of gold and gave their hearts to a completely worthless thing. It was an unimaginably horrible sin against God because God is so Holy and so deserving of worship that to worship this idol instead of God is a horrible abomination.
The sin of these people is so great that God being completely Holy and completely Just cannot stand for it.
He must carry out His divine justice. He allows Moses to tell the Israelites “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me”, separating the people who were for God as God’s Holy people.
These Israelites were then commanded to kill their sons and brothers who were evil and wicked and *against* God to carry out God’s divine justice.
It was so that God’s justice could be carried out. It was to purify the Israelite nation for God purifying the Israelites’ hearts as they killed their own sons and brothers so that they could know the heart of God.
It was so that they would know that God was completely Holy and completely Just.
Then after they had done the will of God. Moses told them gravely “You have committed a great sin (the idol). But now I will go up to the Lord; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.”
Then Moses asked God “please forgive their sin.” This parallels the act of repentance that people must go through to ask God for His forgiveness.
This was why it was so important that Jesus Christ came to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins so that God’s righteous anger and justice could be appeased.
Thank you for your reply. I was wondering, would there be an equally valid way of interpreting the text in a different perspective?
Instead of establishing the power of the Divine and his unwavering standards, do you think it is valid to look at these events from a pragmatic perspective that the will of God was evoked so that Moses can more effectively rule his people?
The idea that God is Holy and deserving of ultimate obedience, ie even touching the ark of God in a wrongful manner justifies the death penalty, is a fundamental idea that one can either agree or disagree. I for one cannot believe in a God that works his Holiness in this manner, therefore, the main thesis of my entry was that the OT God was not the same God in the NT.
How will one go about convincing one then, of the God in the OT being the same as the one in NT, that his actions are justified, when actions of mass murder to me, is an abomination in itself?
Is your answer Jesus?
I have a fundamental view that certain actions are wrong, and is it possible that this fundamental view can ever be changed just by claiming that God is superior to me, his moral standards are unbeknownst to me, and he works in a way I cannot fathom, and that he demands ultimate loyalty therefore justifying these actions?
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